MUP 104 - Hero of Golden Goblin


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Post Mon Jul 04, 2016 9:05 pm

MUP 104 - Hero of Golden Goblin

For Episode 104, we have guest Oscar Rios! We take this opportunity to discuss his new Kickstarter project, Heroes of Red Hook, and some things that are yet to be announced. This episode was recorded on June 27th, 2016.

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The Heroes of Red Hook Kickstarter.

In the talk about the origins of the Heroes of Red Hook, Oscar mentions the GGP party at NecronomiCon 2015. This was also mentioned in episode 88.

We mention the Tales of the Caribbean project from GGP.

Oscar briefly goes over a couple of upcoming projects, the next Call of Cthulhu campaign, and the next fiction anthology.
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Post Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:27 am

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It's nice to see that minorities are being represented in Mythos fiction. It definitely has the potential to expand the sandbox that we all love to play in. The one topic I would love to tackle in at some point is those with disabilities. Even if it isn't done in the realm of the traditional setting (1920's America) I would love to see how a disable person or person would take on the insanity of the Mythos...
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Post Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:38 pm

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GreatmanKing wrote:It's nice to see that minorities are being represented in Mythos fiction. It definitely has the potential to expand the sandbox that we all love to play in. The one topic I would love to tackle in at some point is those with disabilities. Even if it isn't done in the realm of the traditional setting (1920's America) I would love to see how a disable person or person would take on the insanity of the Mythos...


Completely agree. And it bears looking at the way the horror genre handles disability. From body horror to characters with intellectual disabilities, fear of disability as "other" is rampant in horror - sometimes to great effect, and sometimes retreading outmoded stereotypes.

By the way, I'm fairly sure that Heroes of Red Hook includes an autistic protagonist. But I sense you are talking about physical disability, and you're right about the need for more exploration there.
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Post Thu Jul 07, 2016 10:03 pm

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Great interview and just affirmed why I jumped into the kickstarter when you all shard info about it. Sounds like some great storis and characters.
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Post Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:11 am

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I have been actively campaigning against and boycotting Oscar Rios and Golden Goblin since episode 41 in which in a phone in comment Oscar poo-poo'd and shredded my comment about how it's more Lovecraftian (and less hamfisted) to have a friend or relative of a dead investigator come into the game rather than a random NPC. The friend or relative following the Investigator's travels via postcards, letters or other correspondence. To implement this I'd have my player roll up their second character in advance with the idea that the first character would be corresponding with them.

Oscar went on to ridicule my premise and postulate that having a hotel bellboy or random hobo would be preferable. This alone was enough for me to conclude that Oscar has no grasp or concept of what 'Lovecraftian' is. Fer crissakes, how many of HPL's stories are in the form of warning letters left for relatives or colleagues not to follow in their footsteps? I can think of two right off the top of my head...Call of Cthulhu & At the Mountains of Madness.
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Post Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:53 pm

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...aaaaand we're funded! Looking forward to seeing if we can hit some of those stretch goals, I want to draw some more for this :)
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Post Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:28 pm

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fallingtower wrote:I have been actively campaigning against and boycotting Oscar Rios and Golden Goblin since episode 41 in which in a phone in comment Oscar poo-poo'd and shredded my comment about how it's more Lovecraftian (and less hamfisted) to have a friend or relative of a dead investigator come into the game rather than a random NPC. The friend or relative following the Investigator's travels via postcards, letters or other correspondence. To implement this I'd have my player roll up their second character in advance with the idea that the first character would be corresponding with them.

Oscar went on to ridicule my premise and postulate that having a hotel bellboy or random hobo would be preferable. This alone was enough for me to conclude that Oscar has no grasp or concept of what 'Lovecraftian' is. Fer crissakes, how many of HPL's stories are in the form of warning letters left for relatives or colleagues not to follow in their footsteps? I can think of two right off the top of my head...Call of Cthulhu & At the Mountains of Madness.


I can see where some players may want to go with the "immediacy" of a character that is eye witness to the scenario events, and thus they get embroiled into the adventure, but I am much more of a fan of bringing in new characters that are friends, colleagues, or family members of the newly deceased character. Just like you said, FallingTower, your current PC is/was sending a letter stream, (a-la Jackson Elias), back home to one or more folks there. Then, when the next letter is late, or another PC sends their condolences, that close personal character with "skin in the game" comes for answers to their friend's death, and to avenge it if at all possible.

Can the bellhop join the merry band of investigators? Sure, but what happened to get him so quickly involved into the mystery? But, that difference of opinion hasn't shunned me from Oscar's work; for me, it's just a different perspective. But, it wasn't my opinion or idea that was publicly shredded. Your perspective is completely valid and understood. Thanks for listening. :cthulhu1:
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Post Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:21 pm

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fallingtower wrote:I have been actively campaigning against and boycotting Oscar Rios and Golden Goblin since episode 41 in which in a phone in comment Oscar poo-poo'd and shredded my comment about how it's more Lovecraftian (and less hamfisted) to have a friend or relative of a dead investigator come into the game rather than a random NPC. The friend or relative following the Investigator's travels via postcards, letters or other correspondence. To implement this I'd have my player roll up their second character in advance with the idea that the first character would be corresponding with them.

Oscar went on to ridicule my premise and postulate that having a hotel bellboy or random hobo would be preferable. This alone was enough for me to conclude that Oscar has no grasp or concept of what 'Lovecraftian' is. Fer crissakes, how many of HPL's stories are in the form of warning letters left for relatives or colleagues not to follow in their footsteps? I can think of two right off the top of my head...Call of Cthulhu & At the Mountains of Madness.

Yeah, the beauty of this game is that there is room for many different techniques and play styles. I promise you that none of us, including Oscar, think we have the final word on how people should run their games. Your point is taken - it can be dangerous to say something is "more Lovecraftian" than something else. The mood you achieve at your table is the only proof of what works and what does not.

But man, I would encourage you to relax the sanctions against Golden Goblin. We all have strong opinions about certain things ("Cults must be broadly defined! Never fudge die rolls!") and it can sound harsh when we shoot from the hip while recording. But in the end, I am always surprised and delighted when someone does something in a way I wouldn't immediately agree with, only to discover that it buoys the fun in unexpected ways.

Also, you'd honestly be missing out on some of the best Call of Cthulhu writing in the industry. Think of all those other struggling but brilliant writers in GG books, like Brian Sammons, Dan Harms, Stuart Boon and Kevin Ross (who came out of deep retirement just for GG). And all of those guys have different ideas about every part of CoC and how to get it just right.

Sorry you felt steamrolled on that. Don't stop sending ideas!

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Post Mon Jul 18, 2016 5:21 am

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Dr. Gerard wrote:
fallingtower wrote:I have been actively campaigning against and boycotting Oscar Rios and Golden Goblin since episode 41 in which in a phone in comment Oscar poo-poo'd and shredded my comment about how it's more Lovecraftian (and less hamfisted) to have a friend or relative of a dead investigator come into the game rather than a random NPC. The friend or relative following the Investigator's travels via postcards, letters or other correspondence. To implement this I'd have my player roll up their second character in advance with the idea that the first character would be corresponding with them.

Oscar went on to ridicule my premise and postulate that having a hotel bellboy or random hobo would be preferable. This alone was enough for me to conclude that Oscar has no grasp or concept of what 'Lovecraftian' is. Fer crissakes, how many of HPL's stories are in the form of warning letters left for relatives or colleagues not to follow in their footsteps? I can think of two right off the top of my head...Call of Cthulhu & At the Mountains of Madness.

Yeah, the beauty of this game is that there is room for many different techniques and play styles. I promise you that none of us, including Oscar, think we have the final word on how people should run their games. Your point is taken - it can be dangerous to say something is "more Lovecraftian" than something else. The mood you achieve at your table is the only proof of what works and what does not.

But man, I would encourage you to relax the sanctions against Golden Goblin. We all have strong opinions about certain things ("Cults must be broadly defined! Never fudge die rolls!") and it can sound harsh when we shoot from the hip while recording. But in the end, I am always surprised and delighted when someone does something in a way I wouldn't immediately agree with, only to discover that it buoys the fun in unexpected ways.

Also, you'd honestly be missing out on some of the best Call of Cthulhu writing in the industry. Think of all those other struggling but brilliant writers in GG books, like Brian Sammons, Dan Harms, Stuart Boon and Kevin Ross (who came out of deep retirement just for GG). And all of those guys have different ideas about every part of CoC and how to get it just right.

Sorry you felt steamrolled on that. Don't stop sending ideas!

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